Its no comparision, Reaper Shroud is a vastly superior form. Corona burst provides a bit of damage. Both other master-tier traits are viable. @xWiroo.3841 said: God of PvP's condition mirage build is hitting 1,600 DPS . And the heal is actually pretty big, it would be weird if this skill wouldn't have a higher cd. Obviously grenade kit has too much front-loaded damage. Note that the blind on explosive entrance is a GM trait. I don't know where this "jank" complaint comes from. Reaper doesnt have to focus on the shroud to make it work. Tagged games, guild wars 2, gw2, heart of … It is located in a chest on the north central pillar. It is a good skill, but again, ask yourself, is it oppressive on core or scrapper when considering the rest of the meta? Not really? Traited it will get a 20% modifier on all out going condition damage which given that current Condi Rev already does 32k dps, it will be a sizable increase in a raid settings. Something has to give, you can't have a design philosophy for class balancing then make a single class completely ignore this philosophy and have everything at once. She has a book cart with books about cats near her. Autoing in forge is a DPS loss compared to outside of forge. It's still a numbers game. It will never hit 22.5%. With Path of Fire only a few days away we wanted to give you a quick summary of the changes to Holosmith that we’ve made since the demo. All that matters is knockbacks, and the fact that damage is too low.,,, Photon Forge is a minor DPS boost? Holo both has its forge AND aoe superspeed, aoe boon generation, aoe nuke and low cd aoe stealth. Let me explain you why it is a bad idea to duel builds that excel at that, at some point you run out of life force generation. Theres not even new raids or fractal content, just empty promises. It's a step in the right direction at least. Power scrapper and core engineer do not have a good mainhand weapon, so they cant use shield. Lock On is extremely useful when fighting stealth reliant specs such as Deadeye, and Takedown Round is a strong passive proc which adds to your burst. Elite specs usually have multiple things in one traitline to be pretty general. There is some conflicting philosophy over how classes are intended to be post-feb patch when it comes to holosmith. I mean, it is the best sidenoder, even if its not by very much. Lower cooldown than any thief(the master of stealth) stealth utility btw. The high damage of photon forge skills is mostly from the damage increases from the last minor trait and might (to do with high heat) than the actual skills themselves. My issues with Holo and Scrapper are that they pretty much never seem to have any defensive of offensive downtime, and half of its skills look the same and are often heavily obscured while having some very high-impact effects, even if it isn't just raw damage. Also tested Reckless dodge if you stack all the multipliers you can get 2k, tried with the PVP build on holo got 3500, the base damage starts at 771. And at least according to the wiki, blinding powder stealths nearby allies, not just the thief themselves. Reaper's Onslaught gives 300 ferocity. Recently, I’m just having so much fun with these builds that I never had a chance to develop a working build from other professions. Not a chance. In the past three years the major changes were: pre PoF patch buffed 'nade Barrage and Shrapnel Grenade (20% and 12%). After so much theory crafting, tweaking, and tuning. This means that this topic is still something that needs to be addressed because balance still is going to suck and build diversity is still going to be trash. It takes place over ENTIRE necro shroud. Also, 45 seconds is "low cd"? @Shiyo.3578 said: However, if you change it so overheating is easy, then people probably just stop playing Holo. You also assume DPS in the long term, despite the fact that you dont actually stay in Photon Forge or Reaper shroud for very long. The problem arrises from Holosmith's utility, traits, and access to the very high sustain inherent to Engineer means that not only is it a damage dealing monster it's also absurdly difficult to counter pressure and kill in relation to how high damage its damage it. I put some thought into the skills and traits and compaired them to the current meta and my engi spreadsheets.. Talking PvE / Raids now: What we can safely say is that the Holosmith is mainly a power spec and will augment the current power Engineer. And when it comes to burst? This skill is part of the Holosmith specialization mechanic and is activated through the minor adept trait Photon Projector. I don't think it's quite fair to lump scrapper in there with Holosmith. Reaper has fear which can do that, and well, surviving isnt an issue because again. If i had to pick one thing to be nerfed pn holo it'd be the perma swiftness, nerfing it's overall map presence and kill potential. God of PvP's condition mirage build is hitting 1,600 DPS . ), but that may be my grumpy bias showing through. I'm really bored of it at this point, and I, and many others, absolutely will not wait for another patch weeks, if not months, down the line to fix this spec. Not really. It's true the base cooldown is only 5 higher than blinding powder, but every single eng build takes alchemy a HGH does it not? And theyre not good at bursting from range, since grenades are not that reliable at long range. The #1 NA and EU player on the leaderboards both play Holosmith. Something needs to change. Which of the two can play different roles without hindrance,which one can 1v1, which one can bunker if so wills it.The reaper kit just works for teamfights and it doesn't work outside of that, and currently holo does not have a niche it can be whatever it wants to be it is even contesting reaper on the aoe teamfight just by having grande kit. But granted, this might be the one you are referring here, which is just 1 example. Shadow Gust: Has lower cd than Toss Elixir S, knocks enemies back and deals slight damage. Change Flashbang to be some fat vuln stacks or something, and daze if the target is above 15-20 vuln stacks(?). If it had a longer cooldown and heat was an actual mechanic, nothing would change. Practically due to how much it increases heat for the little payback, and how jank the skill is, its usually a DPS loss. Then we get the Corona Burst on every build again. So reaper goes shroud and thats it. You said 36 second cooldown, which is lower than 40. Sure, why not, I prefer explosive Temper anyway. Pip Squeak.3418. That was kind of expected, with that title. most aoe stealth has drawbacks to it, smoke fields you have to actively blast, mass invis has huge cast time and cooldown, vail is just garbage all around, shadow refuge is large cooldown, you are restricted to its area, and if you leave it you lose the stealth AND get revealed You dont win a 1v1 without getting someone to +1 you. Or most classes skill bars, for that matter. Rifle is just not nearly as good. Otherwise, holo-specific skills all are very flashy and identifiable. Theyre burst forms. They also dont really have that much sustain. Not sure people want that. as far as i know, grenade and bomb kits recieved nerfs in the past. Infusing Terror proves a 20% damage reduction, stability (which Engineer lacks now) and the ability for a brief AoE fear. From Guild Wars 2 Wiki. Holo both has its forge AND aoe superspeed, aoe boon generation, aoe nuke and low cd aoe stealth. The damage just isnt there. I imagine this could be removed, but I'm iffy about nuking the only source of cleanse in an entire traitline. © 2021 ArenaNet, LLC. 1 Location; 2 Items offered; Image(s) Interactive map (Depths) Holomancer Netto is a merchant found near the Peacemakers Headquarters. and STILL can crit while no other trait like this can. Its outclassed by sword (as in, Engineers regular sword) in the most common heat thresholds. A lot of classes have an unplayable traitline. This is a controversial tweak since many have viewed this as a nerf. And those are more accessible (and arguably photon forge is just a mediocre kit). Then how is that core and scrapper seem less broken then? There is one big advantage that a normal holo can't do which is photon wall allows you to block attack while attacking - and quickness holo autoattack plus F3 F4 burst (it gives vigor too which further increases damage) while blocking is undeniably OP. I believe I found the best Deadeye sniper build. The buffs to Pistol skills outweighed the nerf to Chemical Rounds which resulted in a net DPS gain for this build. Flashbang isnt that far ahead of it. Don't ask me, ask the matchmaker. Explosive entrance is still far too strong and STILL can crit while no other trait like this can. All rights reserved. After taking damage, it will cause all your tool belt skills to go on a 15 second cooldown. Enhanced Capacity Storage unit indeed isnt the same space. Forums. Just saying. But its still a whole lot better than not having any. It is easily possible to stealth an entire zerg with that skill, something that is not possible with Toss Elixir S. Shadow Refuge can't get compared with Toss Elixir S, since it additionally heals all allies affected and also provides a combo field. I like that Holosmith seems to be intended to be an Engineer that relies less on Kits, just because I've wanted less kit-heavy gameplay for years. The Herald 22,447 views. As I said, Holo is the only one that can use shield effectively. A simple deduction is Holo is performing either thanks to holo trait line either thanks to PF either thanks to both. "Hey here comes a holo-...oh my entire team is already dead to grenade barrage.". And theres a good chance holosmith will just use no kits at all. Anyway I wouldnt entirely disagree that photon forge is a bit of a mismatch. Enhanced capacity storage unit is the biggest offender. But thats the thing. But Holo can. You really think how much more damage Holosmith is putting out compared to Warrior is has absolutely zero bearing on balance? The first has a pretty good healing and revives downed players, the other is a fricking portal, so these make sense to have higher cd. Anyway the point is that holo is not a tanky build by any means. "Hey here comes a holo-...oh my entire team is already dead to grenade barrage.". Its pretty much just the 2 corona bursts that barely pull holoforge ahead, but again, only barely. I tested it this morning. You can argue "Reaper's Shroud has permanent quickness!" I'm not saying Reaper Shroud isn't strong but the accessibility of Photon Forge makes it better imo. The damage numbers the meta builds are putting out is relevant, just like their healing per second is relevant, just like their block+invuln+evade uptime is relevant. Holosmith should have augmented engineer into a high risk, high reward damage spec. Disgruntled Charr Engineer and Pirate - Jade Quarry. 3 reasons. The use of holograms doesn't define an holosmith imho, if so, the aetherblades would be for some of them holosmith too, and many asuras too. Since 2012 we are providing the Guild Wars 2 community with our website and our build editor, and we hope that you are satisfied with the quality of our resource. So you have to compare Corona Burst to Soul Spiral. @Shiyo.3578 said: ; Overheating applies the Overheat effect to the player's bar. Actually its because of sword most of all. Seriously, besides their healing skill their sustain is incredibly insignificant, its like an average of 50-100 health a second. I thought that you maybe consider veil here, since it also AoE stealths. Take everything I have said so far, and now assume that the skills take half as long to cast and hit harder. you are grasping at straws, if you are compering veil with toss elixir s. reaper shroud is entire class mechanic. And beyond that, whats your setup, how much heat? What is effectively blind on dodge is ridiculous. I did 0 starting heat tests as well as high heat tests on Holosmith, and gave you the 0 starting heat tests, and 100% Life Force on Reaper not that it matters. Hypothetically it would be, yes. Scrapper Support. @Shiyo.3578 said: New Player Guide for the Engineers Holosmith Elite Specialisation. This also has the double problem of meaning there's no practical reason to run core engineer over holosmith because it's such an extreme case of augmenting everything beyond what a core engineer can do with no draw backs. Holo is pretty dead atm, it has no survivability unless you dodge everything XD. Stalling is not the same as 1v1, if you know you will get support or gank at some point it is quite different and Boyce is champ he could probably win 1v1 with just WASD keys and a stick. You just aren't getting ridiculous 4-6k crits from the auto attacks like you used too and it also probably looks wimpy compared to some of the Grenade Barrage crits people are getting. It will usually however around 15-20%. There are a lot of things that can be shaved, as the original poster mentioned a few. Holo has a niche, its a sidenoder. Variants 1. And while Scrapper is still generally more defensive than Holosmith, holo boasts significantly higher damage while having at least comparable sustain to the point where outside of a few months after the initial Gyro rework were Scrappers were just absurdly power crept defensively, Holosmith also generally just steps on Scrapper's toes and crowds it out of the meta. I mean they both don't have PF nor holo traitline AND damage is still low for them too but yet perform way worse than holo. So I am yet to develop a fun build for the Holosmith. Cry of Frustration puts out 3 seconds of confusion, so you can only get about 3 skills max outside of the victim using multiple instant cast skills on top of it. And i see you all missing the point that the explosives traitline got PVE buffed, one would say powercrept. You want to see bad? Photon Forge is still excellent damage. This class will be even stronger now, despite a nerf to grenade barrage, since the tanky classes got a lot less tanky and everyone will be dying quickly to holosmith now, so they will carry games even harder(Both the rank1 NA and EU play holosmith). Guild Wars 2. Lets go over it. Reaper probably can, but I doubt its worth it. Furthermore grenade barrage should get a unique, distinguishable animation. Oh and another damage boost that I totally forgot about. The shroud would be insane even without it. Just saying. Well, they lowered grenade kit damage in the last patch for all engi specs. From Guild Wars 2 Wiki. Holosmith should have augmented engineer into a high risk, high reward damage spec. At least were hitting only holo for once. Condi conversion, damage up (in particular might), and a bit of sustain. Reaper has to focus fully on the shroud to make it work, holo currently doesn't it just adds power creep to base engi and doesn't earn its god mode, the drawback is not even a drawback, how bad you have to be to blow up with holo. Reaper is better at teamfighting, but can 1v1 too. Their heal (or rather lesser grenade barrage) is so extremely janky youll dodge almost all of it just by doing nothing. Except it is. Why are you so surprised to hear about something that happened multiple times in the MOTA? But like I said, it is way more potent. Reaper for examples gives % boost, a stronger healing passive, and a quickness generator. Aside from nades and the free might stacks on high heat there is sth I want to mention that is quite disgusting. The problem arrises from Holosmith's utility, traits, and access to the very high sustain inherent to Engineer means that not only is it a damage dealing monster it's also absurdly difficult to counter pressure and kill in relation to how high damage its damage it. Chill is good for their out-of-forge mobility. Probably not. becomes even worse than it is now. Like which skills? I'd rather see a hard 25%-33% reduced healing as a draw back for taking Holosmith. It was made into the Warrior Strength line, which is a line for class with low ability count that needs passives that buff these abilities to be on par with the rest, and engi got it while being a class with a lot of options, so it has all of these active strong abilities and on top it gets strong passive abilities. Deaths charge blinds, and Im fairly certain hits far higher, but with the wiki being incomplete I cant say how much higher. Enough for it to be full health every time? 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