Speed = Stride Length x Stride Rate is an incorrect and outdated equation. Lastly, you have to have a marker to insure that you measure the angles from the same spot in the two comparisons. The last thing Danny wants is to become an expert on running that people listen to blindly without personal experimentation. The question is how did these athletes do it? This article was originally posted by Ryan at the original HillRunner.com Blogs. because of the room for improvement within limits this writing has good implication on training. I've increased my stride frequency from 160 to 176. KEep it up. The Salazar/Ritz piece was a good article. Second off, I feel like those groups all have their websites and such where you can go to learn about their methods. The following exercise explains how you can calculate the stride length and stride frequency of a runner on a treadmill. You can move your legs at a faster rate, called stride rate or cadence, or you can take longer steps. In his excellent article Understanding Stride Rate and Stride Length, coach Steve Magness considers a study done by Enomoto et al. Stride Rate: stride rate is measured by multiplying the stride length (distance) by how often you’re coming in contact with the ground (time). Stride rate is part of your running economy. Let’s look at what the elites do. If I'd open up the range of motion, I'd look like doing high knee drills when just running along. Meaning that the 3 points better be somewhere consistant. For the group, their average stride rate went from 175 to 196 and their relative stride … Danny has helped me and many others to break away from a lot of the dogma in the running community and explore other options outside of the conventional discourse. In the second edition of his Running Formula, legendary coach Jack Daniels explains, "Almost all elite distance runners (both men and women) … Left handed athletes have to be trained completely different in technique to overcome the right handed drift that's natural to them. Three different runners all had different ways of running at there race speed and then chose different methods of increasing speed when it was time to do. It’s still good to know about these factors so we can try to improve them efficiently. They use similar tricks in all their other "analysis". Hopefully this mini stride frequency versus length topic makes you think a little bit. Watching myself jog in the shop windows' reflection is looks silly and weak. Running Stride Rate. Mathathi who had a small stride length tried to increase that during the final kilometer. There's a reason that it's not in the research literature at all, because it's not a big factor .Mark- Thanks for the comment, I'm reading that book right now. This article was originally posted by Ryan at the original HillRunner.com Blogs. Frequency and stride length seem to be inversely proportional. It does not take 20-40sec off your 5k. His stride frequency is about equal to his competitors, but his stride is so much longer thanks to those long legs of his. In this post, I break down sprinting into Step Frequency and Stride Length in the context of the 100m, 200m, and 400m sprints. Perhaps that’s what makes Bekele the man to beat on the kick? STRIDE RATE There is an abundance of advice on how to improve your stride rate. If you read Jack’s book, Daniels’ Running Formula, the section title in Chapter 5 illustrates this point, “Stride Rate: A Step In The Right Direction”] January 28, 2018 / 6 Dr. Jack Daniels: Utilizing The Treadmill To Help Prepare For Boston Agreed. If we consider his world record of just under 1:41 and simplify our assumptions to make the math easy, we would come to the conclusion that he took roughly 370 steps to cover 800 meters. I searched dozens of posts to find any with actual numbers for the stride length. But you have to be able to change but frequency and length throughout the spectrum of running speeds. What you get is a "stride angle" of 71deg and 111deg on the same run, going the same speed, depending on the camera angle…So you see how it's easy for them to manipulate angles to prove their point? The above examples showed that there are several different ways to maintain a steady pace and different ways to increase the pace. Enter your information below to receive your free training Video. To check your stride rate, go out for a run. So he went from having the lowest stride rate to the highest by far, thus using an increase in stride rate to increase his speed, while maintaining stride length. But I'm wondering how much is appropriate to be implemented. Some coaches took this to mean that the only way to increase speed was to increase force production. Do you actually believe what you are saying? The bottom line is that something has to change. I think a further exploration into Chi Running will help you find that a lot of instructors are very similar to yourself. STRIDE LENGTH VS. Why is stride frequency so important? Stride length, on the other hand, is the distance from the initial contact point of one foot to the next initial contact point of the same foot. Your drift rate cost you a chance for National competition…. Biomechanical analysis of the medalists in the 10,000 metres at the 2007 World Over my next two Thursday posts, I’m going to cover what we can do to improve each part of the equation. He often says "don't take my word for it, go out and try it for yourself." This is entirely not the case. Period. If you, like Chi running advocates, try to hold one constant, you’ll reach your limit in increasing the opposite one before you should, and thus will be slower. Which method of increasing speed generates less impact force with the ground, and increase of stride rate or an increase of stride length? Higher SF requires cross-bridges within the muscles to be built at high rates, and thus these need a high rate of neural activation. What the above studies show is that perhaps it is highly individual. I welcome the discussion. His contention was that you needed to work on going back and forth between these two stride types during practice. An average runner will have a cadence of about 150 to 170 steps per minute. What they found was very interesting. This is during the exact same 150m sprint. Stride frequency is one of the most important parameters of running technique. Back in my cycle racing days the book I read by Eddie B [ ex national US coach]recommended a cadence of 86-92 revs per min for time trials, this I followed until I started doing road racing as well.Due to the changing pace and much faster speeds of road racing my cadence often reached 120 Rpm and more!The side effect of this was, I found that in Time trials my average cadence increased so i felt more natural at holding higher revs around 95-100 rpm.End result was faster 10 and 25 mile TT's.We often here that a turnover of 90 is best, but is it?Often new runners and cyclists will have a much slower turnover of 60-70 but with training can quickly improve into the 80-90 range, I guess my question is would training for even higher average cadence lead to greater performance.Arthur Lydiard used downhill strides with his runners, should we be adding this type of session to our workouts?Did arthurs runners have a higher leg turnover than the other runners of that time period? Cutting 20 seconds of a 5K is easy when the biomechanic factors which induce drift are eliminated in track competition. “Fitter people have a little longer stride, but the rate stays the same,” said Jack Daniels, coach, exercise physiologist and author of the seminal book Daniels’ Running Formula, which first included analysis of stride rate. In the study, they found that individual athletes differed in their reliance on stride length. Is it useful? There may be other ways of running we cannot execute right now, but could be conditioned to master, and do better with.Also, Bekele might be more efficient in long stride when he's mainly aerobically. Just as we saw in the earlier study where Bekele versus Sihine and Mathathi adopted a different combination of length and frequency, it seems to occur in sprinters too. This is part of the reason why he named his book "Chi Running" as opposed to "The Danny Dreyer Formula". In the end, though, we also have to remember that, for the distance runner, the most important factors are fitness and efficiency. The reason was because he was trying to take his steps so quickly that he was shuffling. There used to be some clockwise races in Europe way back in the day. Stride length is the distance covered per stride … units being distance per stride (e.g., meters per stride). You have mentioned it several times now, and many times have included a snide remark ("pseudo guru style" "in the real world")I'm not sure I understand what exactly your issue is with Chi Running/Danny Dreyer, and why the need to mention it in so many posts? How do you train for the side dominance advantage to track running as pertaining to speed? The graph below depicts their speed, stride length, and stride frequency: The first thing you notice is that these three different athletes ran the same speed until the last 2 laps or so. Follow the same calculations as above: distance in feet/number of steps = step length and distance in feet/number of strides = stride length. In general, the shorter the distance, the longer the average stride … (2010) study they mention that increased ability to produce force has been shown to be a determinant of stride length in animal models. However, in the end, your fitness and efficiency are the biggest factors in how fast you will run at your next race. If you expend too much energy on either or both of these factors, you can’t make it to the finish line. It also applies to street running when corners are in opposite to a runner's natural drift tendencies as technique has to change since increasing speed during the curves of any race is impossible to do. I don't know about Lydiard's guys. Or should we work on our weaker side of the equation? And you think it was minimal? For reference they went from hitting around 2:42-2:45 for each km to final km of 2:30, 2:33, and 2:36 respectively, and had last laps of 55.51, 58.66, and 62.16 so the pace picked up considerably. If you want to train runners a certain way and you've had success with it, go for it. My strides are tiny for my height. Consider checking out my first book as well, The Science of Running. Please bear in mind that Chi is mostly training runners who are not elite and have no intentions of being, or training like an elite. Sport Jester- Sorry, no mean spirit intended, but you sound like those SOMAX guys who think bounce, crossover are what is keeping americans from running sub 2hr marathon. Next week, I’ll focus on stride length. THe angles mean nothing. In an ideal world, you should train to be able to do both when needed. Say I wanted to do start introducing sessions such as 20x200m or 10x300m in say January once a week at about 60s 400m pace to prepare for indoors (for a sub 14min 5k guy). Sign up for our twice a month newsletters that are based on real science, not bro science! It may well be much more complicated than that, or result of a lazy technique when just running along. For sprinters who are powerful athletes and can generate a large amount of force through their stride, they are more likely to cover more ground with each stride, thus being stride length dependent. Short distances call for long strides. Garmin watches, like my Garmin 235 for example, tells me strides per minute. A good running stride rate is 85 to 95 single-leg strides per minute— 90 is ideal. Great food for thought, thanks for sharing.Preference may be more a product of what one is accustomed to doing rather than best built for. I mimicked frequency with a computer generated beeps with which athletes adjust their stride frequency by hearing. He’s able to run both ways. With some rounding error, that’s roughly 7 feet per step. My goal is to provide that counterbalance that says "hey wait a minute, that might not be correct.". Now I know where I stand in relation to other runners. In essence, this is what Bekele did. Generally, strides per second (aka, Hertz or Hz) or strides per minute are used for units. What I can say with certainty is without the click generator, I tended to slow my rate going up mild hills and increase it going down the same hills. In this study they looked at world class 100m dash competitions and calculated the individuals stride length and rate to see what the best athletes did. What is also interesting is that Mathathi who is 1.67m tall and Sihine who is 1.71m tall both had considerably smaller stride lengths than Bekele who is only 1.60m tall. What you neglect to mention is the fact that the study also concluded that rate of force delivery and ground contact time available for force delivery are also determinants in faster running speeds. Another great and informative post Steve. It’s almost as if the runners subconsciously chose to rely more on rate or length for most of the race, to “rest” the other factor, and then went to the other factor when it was time to increase the speed. I enjoy reading your blog to get a scientific perspective on training. Thus, my range of motion is tiny. It depends on the athlete and their speed. There is improvement but there is also a risk of body injury (such as the groin)with higher stride length. The question is should we individualize based on our preferred method of running? To apply that formula to running speed, we get a likewise simple equation: Speed is stride length (distance covered) times stride rate (1 / the time it takes to cover the distance). It has nothing to do with stride length or frequency. Big enough to see if you can get your stride rate … I then compare Bolt and Gay to some of the top … Covering more distance while in the air increases your stride length as long as it doesn’t mean you’re covering less distance while on the ground. 2020 in review (and a quick 2021 preview). As a coach i experimented a longer stride length by putting 2+ meters line marks on the track so that athletes keep this interval of stride for running. I've been trying to increase my walking speed and I'm experimenting to see if the stride rate affects my speed. The pictures are linked below: https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B1vfZ7tD21qOZGRlN2I4ZjktOTU4NS00NWNkLTlkMjItYmRlZjk0ZmYyMzZk&hl=en. In a marathon race, one runner is moving at 5.0 m/s passes a second runner moving at 4.5. To calculate your stride rate, use a stopwatch, watch with a second hand or other device to count the number of footfalls on your right foot for one minute. Perhaps because it is a relatively easy fix compared to stepping up your stride length. So while Danny does suggest keeping the stride frequency constant in *many* situations, this is not *always* the case. A sprinters velocity is determined by stride length and stride frequency. But what about during maximum speed? when the length of stride increases that puts a premium on stride frequency. thanks. To me, the rate of force delivery and the onset of fatigue are the critical issues affecting speed. The problem is they slow their stride rates often by an amount that causes them to slow overall, even with the longer stride length. Almost anything that needs to be calculated can be thanks to the huge strides in science and technology. This is where stride rate comes into play. Interestingly, they seemed to increase the one factor that was lowest during most of the race. What is really interesting is that on the last two laps, Mathathi’s stride frequency, which was the highest during the race, decreased slightly, while he increased his stride length significantly on the last lap. If so, why do you think that might be? Stride rates vary enormously among runners for many reasons, and few studies explicitly have quantified differences in stride rate between barefoot and shod runners. Hi Steve,This post is one of my favorite topics about running and IMO one of the most misunderstood. I'm a Chi Running instructor and a competitive runner. So, all you shorter runners complaining about how your height keeps you from having a long stride, just look towards Bekele. On the other hand, some sprinters seem to rely on the nervous system’s ability to rapidly turn the legs over and contract and relax the muscles extremely quickly, thus making them more reliant on stride frequency. One's running gauge measurement reduces the body's ability to even run straight. Thanks Steve. In both the groups optimal stride frequency established with heart rate was not different (P > 0.3) from optimal stride frequency based on [Formula: see text]O2. (2010) Elite Sprinting: Are Athletes Individually Step Frequency or Step Length Reliant? I know that when I'm finishing a race and trying to sprint, I tend to focus on the fastest turnover I can – rather that a more forceful muscle contraction which will give you a longer SL. This included Bekele (1st) Sihine (2nd) and Mathathi (3rd). The net result on the last lap was a maintenance of speed, not the giant increase like in the other two. Part 1: Speed = stride length * stride rate. Padding and stride can be used to adjust the dimensionality of the data effectively. Putting it all together Championships in Athletics, New Studies in Athletics. As for hip angle/seperation= It's essentially a way to sort of quantify hip extension/knee lift. If your stride and frequency push you further off a straight line course, then optimum speed measured in linear distance travelled will be negatively imacted. So that's what I was basing it off of. It simply means that to see a change in speed you’ve either got to increase the ground you cover (stride length) or increase your turnover (stride frequency) or some combination of the two. To maintain proper stride length, aim to keep your foot strike under your body. You'll note that elite runners make up a very small percentage of the entire running population. Running economy incorporates more than your stride rate, but this article focuses on running rhythm. As far as my past "pseudo-science" comments, it's a pet peave of mine. This guy has both parts of the equation covered. (basing that on your sarcastic comments). Excellent post. It can be, but it has to measured correctly, which is where the SOMAX people go wrong. To give you guys a visual, I took two screen shots of video I had of myself running. a British researcher developed a formula to determine walking or running speed based on hip height and stride length. In fact, during the 1984 Olympics, females shown off stride lengths averaging up… On the other hand, Mathathi had a small stride length and a very high frequency to run the same speed. He called them short swing and long swing strides. Love the post! Great post Steve and I love the pictures you linked to. Secondly, you have to make sure the angles are measured at the exact same point in your two comparison pictures. The ultimate answer for us distance runners may be that we should be like Bekele and be able to run submaximally with one strategy and then be able to switch strategies when fatigued. If you don't do this, you can't measure angles. Towards the end it did get me to thinking. You can draw a … References: When I started using the click generator, my speed increased. There is an accompanying video with the article that shows a comparison btw Bekele and Ritz. The conclusion, that we're all different and that we utilize different stride length / cadence strategies depending in part on our fatigue is consistent with Matt Fitzgerald's book "Run: The Mind-body Method of Running by Feel" which I recommend. Which is huge. Bekele had a low stride frequency with a long stride length for the first 9,000m. More study necessary , If an athlete's height is no factor to stride frequency, perhaps calf length or girth is?I am 6ft4 and have switched from 145spm to much higher, while getting rid of heel strike which ruined my body and had me given up by a sports doc. Good question. The stride can reduce the resolution of the output, for example reducing the height and width of the output to only \(1/n\) of the height and width of the input (\(n\) is an integer greater than \(1\)). Does this concept of hip angle/separation really mean proper hip extension? I do think you could improve in your approach as you seem to be more emotional about Chi than scientific. I have a stride rate of about 165 steps per minute this goes up or down buy a few if i speed up or slow down. And for elite marathon runners, are measured at 29-31 miles and amateurs at 36 miles, in physical distance travelled calculating in drift rates. The great Hungarian coach Mihali Igloi was a big fan of what Bekele seems to have done in the 10k. If you are a Chi Running proponent, your answer will be stride length, as Danny Dreyer says to keep the frequency constant while only changing length. Some were very heavily reliant on having a large stride length, while others trended more towards relying on both, and even one athlete being reliant on stride frequency. Is the hip angle/separation legit, I see you mentioned SOMAX in your above post and they describe a similiar hip angle comparison btw Sammy W. and Hall & Ritz, SOMAX also has another article describing hip angle with various UK runners showing that Coe and Cram had the 100+ degree as oppose to their recent runners that were in the 85-90 range. In that book, Dreyer stated that cadence should be kept the same with stride length being the variable that you change. Great, honest post and very interesting. Drift doesn't matter. Excellent post, especially through reflecting upon the diverging running tactics of Bekele, Sihine and Mathathi. That’s what the Peak Performance Newsletter is all about: How to pursue our goals in every aspect of life. If you could become adept at using both strides, then you could run the majority of your race in your preferred stride style, but when fatigue started to happen, you’d switch to the other stride style. 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